God’s Design for Men & Women with Cristie Penn

The enemy has a target, and his target is the Kingdom of God. Our identity in Christ is under attack, and we are losing sight of God’s design for men and women. He designed men to be hunters, warriors, & kings and women to be collectors, connectors, & queens. The enemy is constantly at work to emasculate men. He wants to blur the line between male & female and eradicate the roles God has created. 

In today’s episode, we are chatting with Holly’s mom, Cristie Penn about God’s goodness and His design for us as the Kingdom of God. Cristie is a powerhouse for Jesus. She is the author of Keys of Truth: Unlocking God’s Design for the Sexes. 

This was such an eye-opening discussion for us about the roles of men & women, and we are so excited to share it with you.

Episode Highlights: 

• Introduction to Cristie
• He was there the whole time
• Hearing God
• The enemy has a target
• The Kingdom of God
• Identity in Christ
• Hunters, warriors, and kings
• Collectors, connectors, and queens
• The emasculation of men
• Women are highly adaptable

Links Mentioned in Episode/Find More on Purpose Beyond Motherhood and Cristie Penn:

• Register for Refined! 
• Visit the Twelve 12 Ministries Shop
• Twelve 12 Ministries Website
• IG Handle: @twelve12ministries
• Facebook: @twelve12ministries
• Email: info@twelve12ministries.org
• Keys of Truth Testimonials
• Keys of Truth: Unlocking God’s Design for the Sexes
• Keys of Truth 13-Week Study Guide

Transcript

00:00.00
twelve12ministries
Welcome to the purpose beyond motherhood podcast. We are so glad that you are listening today. Hey I just want to give a quick shout out to all of all of our new listeners hey if this is your first time. Welcome thank you thank you for tuning in. We are so grateful for you. Ah, we do the podcast because we just love Jesus and we care about you. We don't want you to walk this life alone. Life is tough and it's just so much better with Jesus and it's so much better with friends and so we are glad that you're here.

00:19.49
Holly 
Yes. Here.

00:34.19
twelve12ministries
Ah, my name is Nicole Clark and I'm the founder of twelve twelve started this amazing ministry just out of hurt and heartbreak of infertility and pregnancy loss and the lord was just kind enough to rescue my story and brought an amazing woman into my life. Our awesome co-host holly and so.

00:52.35
Holly 
Bless bless you for that intro hi guys I'm Holly I just want to thank all of you that have tuned in with us before. Thank you for coming back. Thank you for sticking in this journey with us and and listening in while we learn and grow together.

00:53.87
twelve12ministries
Holly, um.

01:00.69
twelve12ministries
Yeah.

01:08.65
twelve12ministries
Yes, and we have a special guest today I'm I mean I'm always excited but I'm really really excited about our special guest Holly who do we have I know? ah.

01:10.23
Holly 
Yes.

01:15.82
Holly 
Same I wish I had a flag we have Christy pen my sweet mom Christy Van I'm pumped I'm so glad you're here? mom.

01:25.83
twelve12ministries
Hi Christy yes, okay can we can I tell a quick story really fast I was not planning on this but I feel like you you guys have to know. Okay, so long I don't even know how many years ago but I first met.

01:28.13
Cristie 
You saw my Chum so happy to be here.

01:31.88
Holly 
Sweet lady. She's a little.

01:37.47
Cristie 
Um.

01:41.33
Holly 
The.

01:44.62
twelve12ministries
Thirsty at a women's event and she just was so kind She was so precious and she just was I don't know the Lord just put it on her heart to share about her daughter and I just did not know what that would look like I didn't know I don't even think I thought of anything I was like oh.

01:52.47
Holly 
Move Sweet mom.

02:02.20
Holly 
Of my.

02:03.43
twelve12ministries
She's great I would love you know to stay in in contact with her but just did not know what the lord was doing in the steps that he was aligning ah for Holly and I to connect in for twelve twelve to flourish for the podcasts podcast to flourish so Christy I just thank you for your obedience.

02:11.54
Holly 
Have.

02:19.91
Holly 
Yes, um.

02:23.90
twelve12ministries
I Don't know what the lord spoke to you that day just to say hey I'm going to come and meet this meet this young lady but I'm so glad that you did because the board has just done a new thing and amazing thing and I just love you both just so much and so grateful for both of you.

02:33.90
Holly 
Um, it's good I Love you. We love you dearly.

02:35.16
Cristie 
We. Yes, Well you guys it is so fun to look back and think about that moment we were in line to get food and we happened to be by each other and it was like oh there's.

02:51.52
Holly 
Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Oh.

02:52.65
twelve12ministries
Um, yes, further.

02:58.47
Holly 
None for me.

02:58.95
Cristie 
Something there. But then I just kind of let it go and in his perfect time. He did his thing.

03:02.42
twelve12ministries
Um, yes, yeah, God's time.

03:05.18
Holly 
And Sweet Nicole I remember Nicole texting me but trying not to be like too much but she would just sweetly be like hey I met your mom and then she would kind of check back in and then I got a butterfly box and like all of the sweet little steps but that just made my brain go to this place really quickly if you're a mom.

03:09.71
Cristie 
Perfect.

03:15.27
Cristie 
Oh.

03:24.63
Holly 
That's in this with your daughter and you come across someone like Nicole be bold like try to make that connection and not be overbearing about it but just tell your daughter about it as someone you meet about this ministry about this podcast just be the bridge that builds the journey.

03:37.14
twelve12ministries
Um, yes, exactly exactly love that.

03:37.77
Cristie 
This.

03:43.45
Holly 
Okay, mom you're going to drop some truth bums with us today because that's how she rolls my mom is a little powerhouse for Jesus I feel like her life has just been I mean as long as I've been around. It's been a ministry pointing to the lord my entire life. There are like women in our house.

03:46.38
twelve12ministries
Yes.

04:01.50
Holly 
Maybe 40 or 50 or 60 of them. Um, having bible study or she's teaching a class or she's teaching a children's um, a children's class at church children's ministry I mean my whole life. She's just dedicated to furthering the kingdom a friend of mine gave her a prophetic word that was till the last drop. Um, which is so her like she will literally point people to Jesus until she cannot breathe another breath. Um, which makes me a little emotional but I'm going to keep it together. Um, but she wrote an amazing book called cues of truth and we'll loop back about that later. But we just wanted her to speak to you guys about marriage about men and women and their design and how to understand and learn how to walk through infertility and how to walk through marriage more in the identity god created you to walk in to go keeks.

04:46.68
twelve12ministries
Yes, yes, but.

04:51.88
Cristie 
Well, that's my grandma name by the way. Um, ah she hadn't just called me that down the blue. Okay well um, Gosh I don't even know where to start but I do know that God is involved I think that.

04:53.47
Holly 
Oh yeah, sorry.

05:07.91
Cristie 
The older you get maybe the shorter runway you have ahead of you but you have a very long track record to see the faithfulness of God and in those moments of not understanding.

05:21.13
Holly 
It's good.

05:24.20
Cristie 
What in the world is going on I was just sharing with Nicole there have been a number of years that it was like where are you like? ah you know and it may be fertility. It may be your marriage. It may be um.

05:31.58
Holly 
Of.

05:42.20
Cristie 
Your job. It could be your ministry. There are times that it feels like he is completely silent and looking back in my life Now it is not convicting but it is so.

05:47.17
Holly 
Oh.

05:59.53
Cristie 
All inspiring and faith building to have the view of literally Hills and valleys of your life where you see that he may have been quiet makes me emotional but he's been there the whole time.

06:09.75
Holly 
Um.

06:16.90
twelve12ministries
Um, yes.

06:18.90
Holly 
That's good.

06:18.70
Cristie 
And so you know I look at the book I wrote and let me just say I don't like the word author because I I majored in interior design because I couldn't really read and comprehend until I was 36 and met the lord.

06:27.66
twelve12ministries
A.

06:33.95
Holly 
How.

06:36.81
twelve12ministries
Are.

06:38.67
Cristie 
And so I tend to be more creative, less intellectual. But again god can meet anywhere where they are because he created you the way you are regardless of what you think you're lacking. But um, when Holly and John were dating.

06:46.10
Holly 
Yes.

06:47.78
twelve12ministries
Um, yes, amen.

06:57.57
Cristie 
And I just hope this speaks to all the married women out there when Holly and John were dating. You know I had been praying since I met Jesus she was 3 our son was 6 I learned in bible study to pray for my kids spouses. So I began to pray for hers and then as they. Were dating and courting I could sense that she was serious through that time I'm as the mother trying to prepare my heart for her heart to be broken so positive I know but that's what we do? um. But I started feeling this grief that ended up being revealed to me after the wedding that was grief and my marriage because I was watching new young love and I had not seen that in a very long time. Um, and then you pass it off to life and. You know, bearing parents and maybe raising children or raising up a ministry or beginning a business. Whatever it is so I had kind of made a decision I would just gut it out till the end because that's how marriage went until. After they were married and even though I'd been be begging the lord for a long time to reveal whatever it was I thought it was more about them and not about me and after the wedding the holy spirit literally.

08:21.75
Holly 
Fish.

08:25.98
Cristie 
Came into my quiet time interrupted me and said I want to talk to you about it now at that point I know we've all probably been there where you beg and plead through your fertility journey. Um, and the pain you you almost beg? um.

08:29.80
Holly 
Who.

08:44.39
Cristie 
That he'll respond and then when he's quiet. We just assume he's not listening Well at this point I felt like he pulled up a chair and said I'm ready to talk are you and then I had to make a decision as to whether I would or not and I didn't want to.

08:50.47
Holly 
Um.

09:03.96
Cristie 
Um, but he was persistent and basically what he said to me was I didn't speak because the thing you were asking me was not what I wanted to tell you the thing you were asking me had to do with someone else but I want to talk to you about you.

09:16.43
Holly 
Ah.

09:17.17
twelve12ministries
Um, one.

09:23.38
Cristie 
Because the grief or the feeling you've been feeling connected to the fear is grief and I know Dr Barbara Vyers spoke on a podcast about that. That's a very real thing and we all have it.

09:39.81
Holly 
Ah.

09:39.97
Cristie 
Um, in different areas at different times in different seasons and different depths and um, that's just the way life is but when I realized that he just asked me if I would do the next right thing even if I didn't understand it and.

09:56.77
Holly 
It's good.

09:58.56
Cristie 
Even if I didn't get a payoff and I think that is good for this audience so it was like are you going to do the next thing I tell you to do Even if you don't understand and by the way you're not doing it for your children your husband your ministry your image.

09:59.13
twelve12ministries
O.

10:02.41
Holly 
Okay.

10:18.47
Cristie 
Your identity your church. You're not doing it for anybody but me so if you're doing it for me, you cannot negotiate a payoff. So I honestly said I don't know I really don't know I'll try the first thing. And we'll see how it goes but I wasn't even obedient enough to make a deal so I just started doing 1 thing at a time and it ended turning into a book called keys of truth unlocking god's design for the sexes.

10:51.27
Holly 
Love it.

10:53.64
Cristie 
So there are 25 keys about women and 20 about men women are a little more complex so they get 5 more than men do however, um, it helped me not only learn about my husband but it helped me.

11:04.23
twelve12ministries
Um.

11:11.49
twelve12ministries
Are.

11:11.85
Cristie 
Learn about me. It helped me learn about women. It helped me it it diffuse some of the ammunition of the enemy to make me feel isolated and ignorant.

11:13.19
Holly 
It's good.

11:21.85
twelve12ministries
Um, um.

11:22.66
Holly 
If.

11:25.23
Cristie 
And like there was something wrong with me and and I would just ask us all how much time and mental real estate. Do We give to questioning our identity questioning the way we're built questioning the way we think or respond or whatever Even when we're walking with God. Because the enemy has a target and it is God's most prize possession and the most prized possession is God's children and his family. So The kingdom of heaven is the most important thing in the world to God and we get to reflect it here on Earth As imperfect as we are. He is so patient so long suffering and loves us more than we can comprehend. So here is the key.

12:00.74
Holly 
Um.

12:14.57
Holly 
Um.

12:20.53
Cristie 
And my focus of my life right now this journey of this ministry the infertility crisis in our nation but also in Christian families is a direct assault against.

12:38.13
twelve12ministries
Are.

12:38.61
Cristie 
The family of God my heart and to the last drop I'm going to be investing my life in God's children and God's family and when we look at things that are going on in just.

12:48.68
twelve12ministries
Are you are.

12:55.72
Cristie 
What happened in the news yesterday. The shootings at schools Now it is a Christian school. All of that is is coming back in my view to the assault on family.

12:58.15
twelve12ministries
Um, now.

13:11.69
Holly 
Yeah, sure.

13:14.11
Cristie 
That when children grow up to respond like that out of frustration and not knowing their identity. We're going to continue to see that destruction and the depravity of human beings.

13:30.70
Holly 
So.

13:32.84
Cristie 
So for me I think the frustration to be perfectly. Honest, the frustration has been that some of our churches aren't pulling back to the core foundation of the masculine and feminine in a family. And it has continually been watered down now you step into the focus of this Ministry loss and infertility that is another to me assault because women were created to bring forth life.

14:07.26
Holly 
Yeah.

14:09.67
Cristie 
And that was god's original design so watching holly watching Nicole being invested in my heart to this ministry is something I want to fight I want to fight against what is happening in our culture.

14:23.31
twelve12ministries
Are.

14:27.32
Cristie 
And for me it begins in our churches. What are churches doing to teach the true feminine. The true masculine How to understand yourselves and the opposite gender How to recognize that males were created.

14:30.24
Holly 
Um, a.

14:45.65
Cristie 
To be hunters warriors and Kings and a hunter provides and a warrior protects and a king leads and that women in their femininity were created to be collectors connectors and queens. And the collectors beautify the connector's nurture and the Queen's support we are so different you guys that even though we are from dust to dust if you go back and read genesis chapter 3 you see clearly.

15:09.71
twelve12ministries
Um, yeah, and he.

15:23.29
Cristie 
That Adam was made from dirt she was made from flesh and bone god did not grab some more dirt and do his thing with it and throw her out there. She was fashioned. She is feminine.

15:33.42
Holly 
Fifty fifty yeah

15:34.53
twelve12ministries
Um, yeah, yeah.

15:39.57
Cristie 
So What is happening in our culture as we know and can see there is a continual downward spiral and I believe the church has been empowered and given the command to reestablish at the core foundational basis. To reestablished who feminine are and who masculine are and how to work together in Harmony Harmony and have joy doing it because back to what I said earlier, we're not distracted.

16:05.91
twelve12ministries
Are.

16:18.17
Cristie 
By all of the attacks of the enemy that make us wonder what's wrong with us. We can know exactly how we're created and we know I mean I don't know about everybody but I do know.

16:24.10
Holly 
Um, it's good.

16:34.77
Cristie 
We've been married 44 years we've been to numerable um marriage retreats marriage kind of. We've heard a lot of stuff. Um, we all know that men are created to need in their core honor and respect and women need.

16:38.96
Holly 
I.

16:53.20
Cristie 
Provision and protection Again, we are extremely different but we're created what I call the zipper effect that when we fill in the voids of the other that locks the enemy out and keeps the Holy Spirit spirit active in us. So.

17:05.20
Holly 
Um.

17:12.30
Holly 
That's good.

17:13.50
Cristie 
My heart is for your audience to not be distracted by the pain and to know how to work it out step by step next right thing but also to continue to.

17:20.32
twelve12ministries
Um e.

17:30.47
Cristie 
Um, focus on the fact and this is a fact there will always be potential for the pain to Provide. And to promote healing not only in us. But in the people we come in contact with because he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to waste pain and when we don't Obey or we don't press in we will.

17:51.33
Holly 
So.

17:55.52
twelve12ministries
Are.

18:01.59
Holly 
That's good.

18:09.83
Cristie 
Choose to waste it.

18:12.40
twelve12ministries
Um, him you.

18:12.46
Holly 
That's such a good reminder to not let yourself go into autopilot just because you're in something really difficult I love that um mom really I don't know if you're able I didn't ask you this before. But if you could pick like 1 key about men and 1 about women just to kind of give our listeners like a teaser. And maybe have it apply into walking through infertility if you can kind of make frame it that way.

18:30.74
Cristie 
Um, okay, um, our culture has confused and then emasculated men by.

18:44.61
Holly 
Are.

18:49.34
Cristie 
Demanding that they be more feminine in the way they communicate and men This is a big one because we all tend to do it men shut down when they feel mothered. And they that is one key but they all shut so shut down when they just sense emasculation meaning okay women are created be helpers. This was a big one in my marriage.

19:10.83
twelve12ministries
Are.

19:22.82
Cristie 
And Don would tell you recently we were doing a marriage intensive with a couple and he said that that the thing that shifted for him and what happened was I started practicing these things and he was oblivious and had no idea and it took about six months and then he called me in ah the utility room where he was going through the mail and he just said I don't know what you're doing to me but I feel like a guinea pig with benefits and I really like it. For those of you who are younger that means a lab rat or something like that which I know is not really appropriate anymore. But that's what he said and and then he's I I so I walked out the room went around the corner slid down the wall and thought dear Lord in heaven.

19:56.16
Holly 
Let move and click with.

20:03.43
twelve12ministries
Um.

20:13.60
Cristie 
Your promise was true I I didn't even tell him because I wasn't that committed and I did ask God if this doesn't work can I leave I'm just being totally transparent because I can't do this anymore and that's horrible.

20:22.33
twelve12ministries
Are.

20:30.27
Cristie 
But God was good and worked through my obedience. So I walked back down the hall. He called me back and again and he said I think you should write a book about it if we had to have this even prior to counseling years ago. We would have made so many more strides. So.

20:46.40
Holly 
So.

20:48.67
Cristie 
But when we were talking to this couple. He said I and this is around the what our culture is doing to masculate men. He said to this couple the biggest change in our life was when I stopped assuming when she was helping me.

21:05.35
Holly 
Is.

21:07.91
Cristie 
That she was emasculining me because she thought I was stupid so you have to learn how what lenses they see through So so I we would argue and I would say I'm created to be your helper and he would look at me like and it sounds like you don't trust me because you have a better way.

21:10.10
twelve12ministries
Are. Are here.

21:26.80
twelve12ministries
Are.

21:26.77
Cristie 
Hope that makes sense So the emasculation of men through lack of communication but that they don't like to be mothered they and this is another huge one when I learned that there was a little boy inside of him.

21:33.98
Holly 
The.

21:46.40
Cristie 
Ah, that would climb the highest Hill Bloody his knees his Palms and his elbows and the minute he got to the top of the mountain he would turn around and look to see if I was watching and to see if I thought he was worthy.

22:04.60
twelve12ministries
Are.

22:05.20
Cristie 
My affection that changed everything I remember where I was standing he was going through the mail again and the Lord just said look at him and listen to what I'm saying so that helped so I I started kind of changing the way I spoke to him.

22:14.86
Holly 
Life.

22:23.78
Cristie 
The other thing for women I think this is one of the most important overarching Keys is that we women because of our physical bodies and our monthly cycle. Um, and all the other things that happen to women all the way through to menopause. Um, we we um are highly adaptable. Our Bodies Adapt unbeknownst to Us. We have no control over it and if we're.

22:52.12
Holly 
Both.

23:00.22
Cristie 
Speaking to women who are struggling through this loss and desire for children. She knows better than anyone. It is not anything we can control. We have no control. So God allowed us to be highly adaptable think back.

23:11.81
Holly 
Yeah.

23:12.73
twelve12ministries
Are.

23:19.96
Cristie 
And the olden days he might go out to kill dinner and be eaten by dinner and not come home. He and for us we might have 1 child. We might have numerous children we might have aging parents. We might have a sick friend.

23:27.67
twelve12ministries
Um, you.

23:39.59
Cristie 
Um, we have this ability to completely adapt into that situation and sometimes we expect men to and they are not created to be that adaptable. The thing that concerns me greatly because okay I'm 67

23:42.84
Holly 
This.

23:58.14
Cristie 
I was in first grade and 62 in the buckle of the bible belts when prayer and bible reading were taken out of school. My generation is the beginning of the indoctrination into. Ah, different way of being for male and female and much of it is and rightly so there needed to be changes but because women are so adaptable I believe the pendulum swung way to the other side and. We are hurting so intensely because we're exhausted because we're trying to take a position. We were never created to hold or carry men are physically stronger than women um different Dna different bone density.

24:40.49
twelve12ministries
Are.

24:42.50
Holly 
The.

24:52.47
Cristie 
But women are so strong in the area of communication and words and these are general terms. So the other day I was thinking a woman might say oh no I can hunt and I can kill me a deer and I can do that with the best of the guys. But at the same time I'm like well you might you might have been um, able to do that. But that doesn't make you a hunter. Do you see what I'm saying you might adapt into learning something because you're highly adaptable, but that does not make you a hunter and.

25:21.28
twelve12ministries
Um, yeah.

25:27.17
Holly 
O.

25:31.19
Cristie 
With women and the connection and all that we want them to connect like us. They're not created to connect like we do and women are created to beautify men are not does that mean men can't make something cool and beautiful. I Have a son that has that ability but he's going to do it in a very masculine Way. Do you see what I'm saying So I Think the big ones are the adaptability of women is about to send us to our grave because.

25:54.44
Holly 
Yeah, yeah.

25:55.98
twelve12ministries
You yeah.

26:10.64
Cristie 
Medications that are being women are exhausted and it isn't their fault and when I teach this in a class I could cry right now I feel like I need to apologize to the men in the room for what my generation of women have done to them. But I want to apologize to the women because that was an indoctrination. They don't really know any different until you learn it which is why I believe God had me write this simple cookbook method of here is the feminine here is the masculine. You can love yourself and you can love men or the opposite gender.

26:50.44
twelve12ministries
Um, yeah, so good. Something though that just came to mind. There is a on social media like Tiktok or Instagram there's this like meme or videos about.

26:54.48
Holly 
That's good.

27:06.17
twelve12ministries
When a woman is asking her husband or a wife is asking her husband to do something around the house and he you know he's like yeah I'll do it. But you know it's been days or whatnot. But then the woman the wife jumps in and she's like I'm just gonna do it I'm just gonna take care of it. You know and really.

27:18.80
Holly 
Mention.

27:22.72
twelve12ministries
You know I've always thought that that was so funny and so true. But after hearing you talk I'm like wait a second. There's like so many things that are not that are just like a little off about that about hey, what's the communication like.

27:28.61
Holly 
The.

27:29.80
Cristie 
R m.

27:36.93
twelve12ministries
And you know like yes we can do it as women and as wives. Yeah, we can do it. But why are we taking that away from our husband you know it I mean it just was like you have just like really just changed my perspective today like the Lord just brought so many things to my remembrance of just like of.

27:38.26
Holly 
Um, yes, right, It's good.

27:44.76
Cristie 
Absolutely.

27:55.72
twelve12ministries
Little instances of conversations of my husband and I and this was just like such such a blessing. Thank you.

27:59.70
Holly 
Um, yes, but.

27:59.88
Cristie 
I was the queen of it. Nicole I was the queen and when I say to people don't get mad at me because you don't like this truth and there are so a lot of younger women who do not like this. I'm like well when you're 45 I probably won't be around but I'd love to know how it's working for you because it's because it's upside down from his design. So try as we may.

28:19.91
Holly 
You'll so be around. Yeah.

28:20.35
twelve12ministries
Um, yeah.

28:28.26
Cristie 
But there's a part in the book called Hero language where I really learned how to ask dawn with honor and as simple as it sounds and and if there is ever a man listening to this I mean this in the very best way.

28:31.22
Holly 
Um.

28:36.40
Holly 
Yes.

28:45.49
Holly 
No gosh.

28:47.63
Cristie 
But they're a lot like big strong st bernards sometimes they're like I'm not complex and Donald say we're not complicated but they want to show you their physical strength then when I learned.

28:55.83
twelve12ministries
Um, yeah.

29:05.22
Cristie 
Just run it through those lenses if you ask him with honor and respect and there is a certain way to even approach the question and the timing if I will do that and remember he would love to show me his muscles.

29:12.77
Holly 
Have.

29:23.57
Cristie 
He would love to show me his strength and it starts when they're little bitty boys Just go to a playground and observe. Um.

29:29.91
twelve12ministries
Um, yeah.

29:31.29
Holly 
Um, oh yeah, yeah I Yes, yep, Absolutely, It's all a thing. Okay, so your book Mom where can they get your book if they want to learn more. Ok.

29:38.96
twelve12ministries
Um, yes.

29:42.27
Cristie 
They can go to Amazon and um, it's don't give up keep keep keep pushing. Um I really truly believe that we've given away so many that Amazon does print on demand and so.

29:55.59
twelve12ministries
Um.

30:02.40
Cristie 
That's what I would do. You can also go to keysoftruth.org and I would prefer you get it from Amazon but we really don't have a way of doing that but you can also see testimonies on there and some back videos of the health.

30:10.20
Holly 
Um, okay.

30:20.33
Cristie 
Story and a little bit about us. So and there's a lot of testimonials. Oh yes, Yes, yes, you can get the news in.

30:23.69
Holly 
Your news in your newsletter list. That's on the website. Okay.

30:27.33
twelve12ministries
Yes, yeah, and I don't I don't know if we can do this but I would love can we put it on our twelve twelve shop like can that be in the shop as well. Okay, yes, then you can get the book in the shop because I have some books at home I have some books here.

30:37.16
Cristie 
Absolutely yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that's great there. You go there, you go get him from Nicole. Yeah.

30:37.57
Holly 
Um, cool I Love that? Yes, perfect I Love that I Love that.

30:47.00
twelve12ministries
Yes, and.

30:55.30
Holly 
Okay.

30:55.48
twelve12ministries
Christy this has been yeah, this has been really really just really life changing like I mean I just know that this is going to bless our our listeners and just putting in a new perspective. A.

30:59.81
Holly 
Nice.

31:00.53
Cristie 
Oh.

31:09.68
twelve12ministries
Godly perspective on just keys of truth you know and just how we are made as women and wives in just different ways that we can approach our husbands and talk to our husbands in our last episode was about including our spouses.

31:13.66
Cristie 
To.

31:15.45
Holly 
Um, yeah.

31:29.15
Holly 
Um, and then.

31:29.43
twelve12ministries
The infertility journey and I just think that this fits so perfectly of just like hey how can we really do that. What are some practical ways that we can do that and this was thank you for showing us.

31:39.11
Holly 
Um, yep.

31:39.20
Cristie 
You are so welcome. There is two that I always forget behind each chapter in the book or questions. So what we recommend that people read it together and then do a date night where they're somewhere and just go through that. But there's also. Um, kind of an immersed thirteen week study guide with and you can order this on Amazon and then you can go to our website and get little snippet videos that I've been giving free in a weekly newsletter and I don't usually do. Newsletters at all. But I felt like the Lord wanted people to have those little videos that kind of get your group started but um for people who are going through infertility. Even for all people it is a really good way to just go back to the basics of how you. Got your ideas about yourself and the opposite gender and how to pull together because it's very impactful when you do it together. Thank you, thank you ladies so much for having me.

32:38.43
Holly 
Man.

32:47.58
Holly 
It's good I love it. Thank you Mama! yes.

32:47.64
twelve12ministries
Um, yes, so thank you.

32:54.30
Cristie 
This is definitely a passion and I think it is It is definitely a part a powerful empowering part to pull people together that are going through something and they feel alone.

33:11.32
twelve12ministries
Um, yes.

33:11.64
Cristie 
They're not alone God is there. But if they have a spouse that spouse is in it too and he's trying his heart is to support and the world hasn't really allowed him even the privilege of knowing how to do it.

33:24.90
twelve12ministries
Um, yeah, so yes, thank you guys for joining us. Yes, thank you for joining us for this episode.

33:26.30
Holly 
Um, yeah, truth Keys of truth. Um.

33:31.30
Cristie 
And if.

33:35.21
twelve12ministries
Ah, the purpose beyond motherhood podcast we are going to put all of those links in the show notes so you can get connected to Christie you can get connected to keys of truth in all of the things also just a quick announcement. You have one week left to register for refined. Holly is our keynote speaker. We are so excited for this for her like share a little bit more of her story and just hear a powerful word. Also we're gonna have an awesome panel discussion and just worship. It's gonna be a beautiful evening for you just to be encouraged. So don't forget, grab your ticket for refined and we will see you then see you next time.

34:13.50
Holly 
Bye guys.